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Worship Wars Revisited
Replied Apr 27
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Started Dec. 25, 2008
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Sure wish I could come! I will be sure to pass it along to my friends and colleagues. Have a blessed gathering!
Great response- better posed but truly the heart of what I was attempting to share. Worship isn't broken. It has been commodified and turned into the thing that suits us rather than invites us into the already present God. Of course, since worship...
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- At 4:13am on June 22, 2009,
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- At 10:43pm on December 29, 2008,
Erik Ullestad said… - The Dude abides...
- At 12:53am on December 29, 2008,
Ned Olson said… - I don't suppose you're familiar with Larry Wall, computer geek and creator of the Perl programming language. Here's a little gem he came up with: "Strong postmodernism says that all truth is created. But this
really isn't a problem for anyone who believes in a Creator."
Jesus tells us he IS the truth. We know him as the Absolute. If I truly believe that, then attempting to arrive at a knowledge of absolute truth by deductive, or even inductive analysis is like me trying to figure out my wife. If Jesus were merely human he would probably feel the same about my attempts at figuring truth out that my wife feels about my attempts at figuring her out. Of course others don't need to work so hard at figuring me out since I always act and think in a purely rational manner. Just ask my wife.
BTW, I did get the invitation to your little soire in August. If I am still gainfully employed by then I just might be able to make it. I will at least talk it up amongst the handful of Lutheran types in my current acquaintance.
- At 1:30pm on December 28, 2008,
Ned Olson said…
- Good stuff, Jay. The only items I might add, which are really more reiterative, might be that as I show up with what I have, I also assume some of what I have is just plain wrong. Another way I like to look at it is that if I really desire to grow into the fullness and likeness of Christ I will make very slow progress only hanging out with people like myself. To maintain such an attitude, however, really stretches my willingness to trust Jesus, and specifically to trust him in those I encounter and those I am in community with. God often seems to revel in challenging my trust this way.
- At 9:12pm on December 26, 2008,
Ned Olson said…
- Chiming in with Ray on the ELCA/LCMS connection. I have come back into the liturgical setting following a quarter-century loop through a few flavors of evangelical and charismatic, but have not necessarily left that much of the conservative behind. Here at COTA, a community you probably know something of, I belong to a melded ELCA/Episcopal community which has lately been leaning more to the Episcopal side, it seems to me. My natural tendency is to dig my heels in to the Lutheran tradition and maybe show up a bit more wearing my evangelical colors. To me, part of being in community is showing up with who you are and being willing to join the struggle with others. It has been at least interesting for me as a mostly conservative leaning guy amongst mostly liberal leaning folks, but I realize also that every one of us has streaks of many flavors and are perhaps more prone than we like to admit to changing stripes to suit our own confused ends.
We have obvious similarities in makeup between JP and COTA in terms of average age and academic connections, but I am jealous of your close connections with a local seminary. At COTA our seminarians attend Jesuit and non-denominational schools and though we have several students at the University of Washington, we have even more at the Free Methodist Seattle Pacific University. When our people decide to pursue ordination, either Episcopal or Lutheran, we end up having to send them off somewhere, and our interns may be of almost any stripe. Sometimes cool, sometimes disorienting.
Maybe the biggest question I have about JP is how you handle community between parent church organizations which are currently not even sharing communion. From what I know of Lutherans, I am not at all surprised to find some of us communing with Anglicans, but not with certain other Lutherans. I would be interested to hear more about that process with you folks.
- At 6:35pm on December 26, 2008,
ray said… - Hey Jay,
Thanks for the friend request! The campus ministry you're involved with sounds interesting... ELCA and LCMS together. What a concept! :-) Looking forward to hearing more!
- At 10:37am on December 26, 2008,
Steve Gartland said… - Hey Jay,
Glad to hook up as friends through the emerging leaders network (eln). Besides being a friend on the ELN, buddy of Tim Thompsons, and elca pastor, I'm the regional director of Alpha USA/ Twin Cities. So, of course, my next question is... do you know about/have you done Campus Alpha? I know of nothing better to extend the kingdom into the lives of students and campus life. It's also non-hierarchical, emergent, organic in nature. Check it out at http://www.alphana.org/Groups/1000026605/Campus.aspx.
-steve
- At 10:22am on March 28, 2008,
D. Andrew Fetters said… - Hey Jay, I knew our paths would cross again. I hope you and your family are well. Becky and I are in NYC. Give me a holla when you get time. - Peace - Andy
- At 5:02pm on March 4, 2008,
Justin Rimbo said…
- I call it "JP," because I don't have the time to spell out "Jacob's Porch." It's just a cool, shortened way of referring to your church. You can use it.
- At 5:01pm on March 4, 2008,
- Oh, and you'll get to meet Angie parents on Sunday -- they're coming to JP.
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- Hometown:
- Columbus, OH
- About Me:
- I am pastor to Jacob's Porch, a campus mission to the Ohio State University. We are supported by the Lutheran Church, both ELCA and LCMS. I am often wondering whether or not I want to attach "emerging" to my church- for one I am certainly a child of the nineties cause I hate labels, and B because a label often lumps everyone together, creates the institution, and then whether we like it or not, in the eyes of the rest of the world we end up speaking for one another, and last because I also realize that if anything it is this movement that gives me the most hope for this bureaucratic top down inbred church of mine (that sounded harsh, but somehow it feels right). So here I am wondering whether these sites make any difference to the people present. I will wonder with you, if you don't mind.
- Personal Website:
- http://jaygamelin.com, www.jacobsporch.com
- Prefered Network (link to your facebook, myspace, blogger profile):
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?success=1&id=503835859#/pro...
- Who am I? (Many ways to answer this -- be as creative as you want, or not.)
- I am a dad to three, husband to one, brother to three, son to two, friend to one, belong to none, belong to all.
- How did I get into "emerging ministry"?
- Still not sure what that is, I suppose. If you mean, how did I become captured by the gospel far beyond what is taught through theology, worship styles and practices, and into the integrated life of faith, I suppose you could say I rediscovered my faith when I realized the church was a lot bigger than Augsburg Fortress, more important than the color of my hymnal, and more moving when I lived my faith more than I talked about it. Is this emerging? I suppose, but again, emerging means so much to so many.
- Say a little bit about the community you share life with...
- Jacob's Porch is a community of mostly college students. We are exploring what it means to be a church that is both conservative and liberal, mainline and living without a box, experimental and tied to a grand tradition that stretches back beyond time. We wrestle like Jacob with what it means to be followers of the risen Lord in a place that is comfortable yet impermanent, attached yet separate, kind of like a porch. We don't pretend to do anything new or exciting or mind blowing, except that we push people into a deeper faith that surrenders the whole self to a life set apart by God. I suppose that can be seen as unique, especially in our church, but perhaps not.
- What are the most pressing questions (both theological and practical) you and your community have?
- How do you bring together people of faith who may gather under the banner of "Jesus is Lord" but also have MANY different takes on subsequent issues?
How do you at one time embrace the church you love and yet scream at the top of your lungs at the same?
How do you reach people to show them that the real life of faith is bigger than what some see on CNN?
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